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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 24, 2009 7:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hartford '77??

Never mind, Cliff has proven his closed mindedness too.

81?

Yeah, right guys. Way to call that one. That 10/10/82, 10/20/84, 10/26/89, 7/12/90, 6/14/91, 9/13/93, all really terrible shows. Thanks for leading the way on the realization of that.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 24, 2009 8:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hartford '77??

I'm not drinking your Kool Aid Koch! Youre just spouting pablum in order to justify wasting all that time and money attending those horrible 90's shows!

Just the tought of it is making me ill. Getting squashed by some bra-less chick with dreadlocks and hairy underarms, thinking that spraying some patchouli is going to mask the fact that she hadnt bathed since Merriweather and was relieving herself next to soogee's rusted out VW, while Weir is shrieking during another shitty Estimated Prophet with Garcia nodding out...

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Poster: Morning Dewd Date: Feb 24, 2009 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hartford '77??

"Getting squashed by some bra-less chick with dreadlocks and hairy underarms, thinking that spraying some patchouli is going to mask the fact that she hadnt bathed since Merriweather and was relieving herself next to soogee's rusted out VW, while Weir is shrieking during another shitty Estimated Prophet with Garcia nodding out..."

I was at that show! - more than a few times.

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Poster: clashcity Date: Feb 24, 2009 11:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hartford '77??

I'm sure no one will deny (ok a few... calling Will Tell)... that there was some good stuff that came from those times in my book 78 - 91... but you are seriously delusional if you believe for one second any of that stuff, few songs from a show, or bunch of stuff you can compile from a 3 show run holds even a candle to what the band was able to accomplish 68-77-ish... I prefer to call it at 75 and some of 76 with enjoyable stuff in 77.

There are some great renditions of songs and PARTS of shows to be sure where the magic crept out, and made itself known. 10-9-89, 3-29-90 are the only 2 I can think of where they really nailed it down like the old days... and that was only on parts of the show, not the whole thing.

Furthermore, the format of the shows was so formulaic, not to mention most of the venues, that creativity was put on the back burner to putting on a rock n' roll show.

Let's not forget Mickey's return, and subsequent dumbing down of the band as a whole. He's a percussionist for crying out loud... He had no business behind a drum kit.

Don't get me wrong I'd take it over anything else any day of the week. But your argument has so many holes, and is just plain wrong.

Bottom line: I love many pieces of stuff from the 80's and 90's but it is few and far between and I couldn't make 3 whole shows out any of it.

With that said - each to their own, whatever floats your boat, opinions are like assholes...

Have a good day.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Feb 25, 2009 6:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hartford '77??

I think you guys must be forgetting July of 89, JFK, the Alpine run, or Buffalo as an example excellent complete shows that I've heard from just that month alone. While I agree that pre 77 was their creative high point as far as song writing and development. To me though it's like bakeing a beautiful cake and then not eating it because it to beautiful not to got beyond and realize there are just to many Great complete shows and even runs of shows after to my ears for me to dismiss it and believe the only peak in the bands history worth listening to is 73 or 68 or 77 for that matter. Anyway, just my 2 cents.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Feb 24, 2009 7:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hartford '77??

That's about as well stated as it gets. Thank you, Clash.